I would like to get a motorcycle or a vespa to wander around, but the little savings i have are for everyday needs and university linked expenses. I would also like to get some old weapons and go shooting sometimes, but they are as expensive as bikes. If i had some spare i would upgrade my gaming pc but i have not turned it on in months so i cant say its somethinng i would absolutely do if i had the possibility.

Well, i think you made a pretty good point. Maybe i really am rationalizing.

But about your example with another civilization, don’t you think there’s a pretty big difference between two civilized (even if at different levels) species, where the more advanced one could recognise the fact we are just at a lower grade but still “respect” the fact we are sentient, and between humans and animals?

I mean, even if they are on another stage of civilization i dont think we can subjogate like those tribes who lives uncontacted in islands or forests, cause they are still people.

The point i was waking reffered to the post, which implies the fact that leftism is tied to veganism and that NOT being vegan strip me of the tag of leftist. I disagree with that. I just then added my opinion on veganism which you corrected (rightfully). I would be enviromentalist then if i’ll happen yo stop eating meat.

The interaction between human and human and animal and human are different.

Theres not much elso to say. What is true for how we treat animals, the fact we can eat them (in my opinion) because we are over them, doesnt reflect in how i think a human should and can treat another human. Thats it

Are you really trying to say theres no difference between a human and an animal?

Im smart enough to understand that humans are to be treated in a way, animals are just animals. If some idiot thinks that there are “levels” in humanity because of characteristics they cant control or are precluder to somebody because of socieconomics factors above him, ill be sure to punch him.

As i said in another comment, the way we treat animals is and should be different from they way we interact with other humans.

I dont advocate for the rule of the mightiest between humans. For animals, i think we dont have any moral obligation in the way we treat them. Doesnt mean im ok obliterated species or kill rare animal for sport, just that we are ok to eat them.

Animals are animals and human being are human beings. Your point would made sense if you put animals and humans be on the same level, which in my opinion they aren’t.

The fact im ok with killing animals to eat meat doesnt mean that i think that some people hold less value or that if they’re powerless in some situation justify me or anyone else in abusing, killing them or anything of sort. Because they’re people. Not animals.

Your being dense on purpose? You think human as a specie isn’t at the top? Like if we want we couldnt kill every animal specie?

We built civilization and you think we areny the apex?

But that’s not the point i was originally addressing. You shifted the focus towards the fact i’ll be not going vegan.

I made the ipotetic sentence that IF i would be going vegan i would do it just for the enviroment, ignoring the animal exploitation you addressed in the post, and by doing so i think my leftism would be intact.

I was just saying that i dont agree with the fact that “veganism is leftism” and that the leftism of a person is also judged based on what he thinks of animal exploitation. If you want to stay here and point out im not going vegan because basically im too lazy, thats ok.

Nah i don’t wanna. Meat is too tasty.

I commented just because, in contrary of what you said in the post, i think you can be easily ok with animal exploitation and still consider yourself a leftist.

Having said that, i try to avoid meat when i can and i try to prefer a more vegetable based diet. Im just not ready to ban meat all around right now. As i said, i’d do it just for the enviromental damages of intensive farms, not because im compassionate about cows or chickens.

What if i dont care about animals? If i would become vegan i would do it just for the enviromental benefits.