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Cake day: July 2nd, 2023

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  • If you haven’t yet, you should absolutely read “The Question of Palestine” by Edward Said. Its like 200 pages and he covers Hertzl, and a bunch of other early zionists, as well as prominent post-founding zionists like Ben Gurion. They honestly just say the quiet part out loud shamelessly. It’s completely indefensible if you read it. The only reason that we can even have “debate” about the nature of the state of Israel is because your average person “debating” Israel is totally ignorant of the history.

    “after the [Second World| war the question of the land of Israel and the question of the Jews would be raised beyond the framework of “development”; amongst ourselves. it must be clear that there is no room for hoth peoples inthis country. No “development” will bring us closer to our aim. to be an independent people in this small country. If the Arabs leave the country, it will be broad and wide-open for us. And if the Arabs stay, the country will remain narrow and miserable. When the War is over and the English have won, and when the judges sit on the throne of Law, our people must bring their petitions and their claim before them; and the only solution is Eretz Israel, or at least Western Eretz Israel, without Arabs. There is no room for compromise on this point! The Zionist enterprise so far, in terms of preparing the ground and paving the way for the creation of the Hebrew State in the land of Israel, has been fine and good in its own time, and could do with ‘‘land-buying ’— but this will not bring about the State of Israel; that must come all at once, in the manner of a Salvation (this is the secret of the Messianic idea); and there is no way besides transferring the Arabs from here to the neighboring countries, to transfer them all: except maybe for Bethlehem, Nazareth and Old Jerusalem, we must not leave a single village, not a single tribe. And the transfer must be directed to Iraq, to Syria, and even to Transjordan. For that purpose we’ll find money, and a lot of money. And only with such a transfer will the country be able to absorb millions of our brothers, and the Jewish question shall be solved, once and for all. There is no other way out. [Emphases added]" ~Joesph Weitz

    “There are 40% non-Jews in the areas allocated to the Jewish state. This composition is not a solid basis for a Jewish state. And we have to face this new reality with all its severity and distinctness. Such a demographic balance questions our ability to maintain Jewish sovereignty… Only a state with at least 80% Jews is a viable and stable state.” ~David Ben Gurion






  • Lets also not forget that Nuremberg was woefully inadequate and failed to push Nazi collaborators out of power.

    “The Nuremberg trials could try only a small sampling of major Nazi war criminals. German restitution negotiations were bound to have an unhappy ending, since no payments could possibly erase the harm or painful memories. No problems related to the Holocaust could be resolved quickly or adequately. Nor could they be swept under the carpet and be expected to disappear.” ~Benjamin B. Ferencz, Chief Prosecutor of the US Army for the Einsatzgruppen Trial"










  • Epstein was first convicted for sexual abuse of children in 2008 (11 years prior to this exchange). I, personally, will not extent the benefit of the doubt to Chomsky, (especially considering the age of his wife), but if you did, it would seem, to me at least, that you would have to conclude either that he was a phenomenally bad judge of character, and naive to a childlike degree; or so enamored with the level of access to people like the former prime minister of Israel which Epstein had that he was willing to not think about it too hard.

    Parenti’s books were always better anyway…