His feet in the video clearly show that he was hit, even if it wasn’t that hard. He could have avoided it by stepping aside, but that doesn’t change the fact that her tires were turned towards him when she hit the gas, but she quickly turned the other way to avoid him. Was that on purpose? Who knows, but it makes sense to me that he would want to fire at the car if he believes he’s about to be run over, which would be true whether he’s a demon or an angel(the same being true for calling her a bitch immediately after). Of course, that doesn’t mean it’s justified according to the law, just like if someone hits you in the face, many people’s reaction would be to hit back, even though that might not be the right thing to do. Beyond that, we have many years of videos of police interactions with people where they did have to shoot, sometimes when someone tried to run them over, which would be vehicular homicide. That’s the case for justification.

From what I see in the footage(the far-away angle), she dropped someone off(presumably her child) and just parked sideways in the street for a while, blocking most of it, which isn’t wise if ICE just happens to be on that same street and needs to use it, even if you don’t agree with them. When approached by officers, regardless of whether they were 100% following proper procedure, most people would just turn the car off and comply, choosing to fight it in court later and win one of the many successful lawsuits other civilians have won in the past. Instead, after watching him walk around her vehicle filming, she chose to listen to her wife, who yelled “drive, baby, drive” and hit the gas. Whether she was a victim or a criminal, that was foolish because she clearly did it before he pulled his gun(obviously the conservative crowd would argue that was what made him do it, but who really knows).

For the record, I’m not defending the guy who shot her either. Even if the first shot he fired was justified, the 2nd and 3rd shots were not.

I suppose, yet again, if I(and textbooks) don’t agree with your definitions of empathy and sociopath, I’m in the wrong by default, but then, I guess you’re arguing “empathy” over logic, so it really shouldn’t be surprising. Thank you for helping me to understand your point of view, even if you don’t want to have a discussion.

I absolutely agree.

This is kinda ironic, because people are also calling me obtuse for asking some questions, which is quite the opposite of the definition. I’m not on either “side” and I definitely don’t agree with Trump or his administration, but that doesn’t seem to matter. Anyone who actually knows me IRL knows all that, but if I don’t agree with you 100% or have some questions, I’m a nazi bootlicker defending violence and fascists(which is pretty extreme when we’ve only exchanged a few words). If I met you on the street, I’d offer to buy you a beer and talk for a bit, but that isn’t even an option on the table in your mind.

I once worked at the Logansport state mental hospital in Indiana. There was a guy who had a rottweiler stuffed animal and would get very upset if he didn’t have it. I tried a few times to ask him about other dogs. He would listen and then just repeat what he knew about rottweilers again, verbatim, no matter what questions I would ask or pictures of other types of dogs, etc. I wasn’t even trying to change his mind, just understand his processing a little better, but he was not capable of having that depth of communication with another human being. This reminds me of that.

Interesting. So what comes next? Civil war or hostile conservative takeover? I’m certainly not arguing we aren’t headed for fascism.

Not really. That first shot was almost justifiable because he was hit by the car immediately after the wife screamed “drive, baby, drive!”, but the next 2 shots were definitely indefensible. Can we have a discussion before you call me a bootlicker? If you knew me, you definitely wouldn’t say that. Seems like you’re the bad faith actor here, just sayin.

Fair enough.

Ok, but isn’t that pretty fucking extreme?! I’m not saying you’re wrong at all, but if you’re right, at least half of the government and half of the nation are all brainwashed on some hidden hand agenda. I’m no stranger to conspiracy theories, but are you saying we’re coming to the culmination of all that?

I agree and that’s probably exactly what’s going to happen. I’m honestly, genuinely just confused how half of the nation sees one thing and the other half sees the exact opposite in the same exact clips. Both halves would be willing to die on that hill(and a civil war would do exactly that). Is it mass manipulation or is half the nation just lying? The whole scenario is just unreal and no one seems to know(or care) exactly why.

I agree there are a lot of sociopaths out there, but do you know what that word means? I’m asking some questions to get more people’s viewpoints on this because clearly a bunch of people don’t see it the way I do, which is confusing to me. Does that reaaaally make me a sociopath?

Hey sry man, I’m just not seeing what you’re describing in those videos. It isn’t quite that clear. You might just be right, but I’m just asking some questions. Doesn’t make me a nazi or something, no matter what you seem to think.

True. He definitely fired and he was at close range, but I’ve shot a 9mm at a target from close range too. Normally it doesn’t explode, so I have to take just a second to find the hole. His shot went through a window, cracking it and further obscuring the driver. Is it possible he didn’t know he had absolutely killed her or is that just crazy talk?

Agreed, but what’s the alternative? I can’t get on board with Libertarians either.

Interesting. Do you think he knew immediately he had killed her? He seemed to call her a bitch(if it was him speaking) as she was driving off, before she hit the parked cars. Also, did the wife outside the car yell “drive, baby, drive” because she was afraid? The guy who shot her was walking around the car, but he didn’t draw his gun until he got in front and she started to hit the gas. They all had clear police markings on their uniforms, but what was the correct response from her in that situation(genuine question)?

Ya know, this might get buried, but I’ll say it anyways. I’m almost 40 and I’ve seen a few things, but I’m not so much upset as just confused. How can everyone in this country watch the same video and half of them say it’s definitely one way while the other half say it’s definitely the other way? That’s happened more than once in the past few years, which is why I say it seems contrived. I’m not a republican or a democrat. I think both sides are up to their ears in corruption. Does that make me a loser? Can we have an actual conversation? I’ll refrain from sarcasm and name calling if you will.

😂😂 if you don’t understand, it’s a bot or a Trumper. I’m starting to see how Lemmy works. 👍

Case closed.

Just like poor George Floyd

Lol are you saying you wouldn’t have called her any names? Also, how do we know that was him talking? There were other officers around. IMO both parties made big mistakes. It all seems a bit contrived, but isn’t that the point?