I hate these kinds of comments. No shit we’d be okay with cheaper rent but they’re not going to make it cheaper out of the goodness of their heart. We have people’s who’s whole job is to “sELL hOuSES” and profit from it
Nah it’s more like the reality outside america where people outside of affluent class own multiple properties too, and corporate isn’t involved in property renting scene. So our rents are lower per square feet for same property, than in the west.
How’s there nothing wrong with paying rent? Why is someone else appropriating the fruits of MY labor just because they happen to be lucky enough to inherit a house?
Then the government will need to purchase the houses / apartments from the current owners so they still get a giant payday.
Then you’d still be paying rent, just to the government instead which will mostly go towards paying administrators that don’t care or do anything just like current landlords.
Unless you mean all social government owned housing should be free, and most private property should be government owned.
Then the government will need to purchase the houses / apartments from the current owners
Expropriation can be carried out without purchase, and it has been done in several countries to the great benefit of the workers. No need to pay for the housing of the landlords, we can just take it at gunpoint.
Then you’d still be paying rent, just to the government instead which will mostly go towards paying administrators that don’t care or do anything just like current landlords
Who says the housing has to be centrally administered? Housing could absolutely be organized by local collectives in charge of the maintenance of the buildings after its construction, likely in the form of democratically elected councils. As an example, most access to housing in the USSR was through the work’s union, not through the central government.
Unless you mean all social government owned housing should be free
No, people should pay costs to maintain it. For example, rent in the USSR was about 3% of the monthly income. Seems much better than what I pay now!
At the same time, if you choose to live in an economy where you don’t pay rent, you will barely find anyone outside your family willing to lend you a home.
And replying to your previous comment, idk about America, but in other parts of the world, people outside of affluent class have homes, and rent is close to or less than 4% of property value annually, not 6-8% Americans are used to. That’s likely because corporates don’t buy property here at scale they do in America.
you will barely find anyone outside your family willing to lend you a home
Yes, that’s why housing ownership should primarily be socialized, and access to affordable rent should be a right guaranteed by the public administration as much as healthcare and education.
rent is close to or less than 4% of property value annually
That’s still a worthless metric, though, rent should be proportional to construction costs + maintenance, not subjected to markets.
You’re fundamentally asking for a different society. To be very honest, the Idea is great, I just don’t see how it’s gonna be implemented. Also you gotta be happy with pretty minimal houses, but I guess people in twenties who are just starting with life, this could be all they need.
Yeah Ik this is core communist ideology, I don’t have anything against communism. I just am saying what you are asking is very different from what society is today.
Well, yes, I’m a communist, but seeing the housing in literally every western capitalist country suffering from the same issues, I have 0% of hope that the issue of housing will be solved within capitalism. Capitalists are in power and they’re the ones owning the housing, so they simply will prevent legislation from passing unless forced by worker organizing.
I don’t see why communism is equated with minimal houses though, housing size is more or less proportional to the wealth of the country and less so to ideological stuff. The USSR is famous for small socialist flats because most were built during industrialization in a post-war condition. East-Germany flats from the 1980s, for example, are much larger.
Sorry I didn’t read the second paragraph, my bad. I see, but then if you’re richer, maybe you want more choices🤷. That’s why, like giving richer People some place to spend, a mix of capitalism for richer countries.
I mean, I know communism want’s everyone’s income equal, but then idk if such a thing could be achieved irl
In all honesty neither capitalism nor communism solves all problems. Problems arise because systems get too rigid, and it can happen with either. Today’s capitalist problems are arising
because America got too stubborn about capitalism, but at the same time, a purely communist state will undermine a lot of desires of common man.
The best solution is always in between the two, and is very context dependent. Like a lot of poorer countries benefit from socialist ideologies, and when people have enough purchasing power, certain parts of economy can be run by capitalists. The world right now is in chaos because too much of economy is handed to the capitalists.
most americans want to be rich and are jealous as hell they aren’t the rich, and if they got rich, they would be just as greedy and self-interested as they rich they claim to hate so much are.
I’ve seen pretty much all my 20s anarchist/communist friends become landlords who now argue that taxes and tenants are evil. they felt exploited and now they feel free to exploit… it’s almost as if it isn’t about fairness and more about bitterness and power.
I hate this type of posts. There’s nothing wrong with renting or paying rent. Most of American rent problem is because of high rent, not rent itself.
I hate these kinds of comments. No shit we’d be okay with cheaper rent but they’re not going to make it cheaper out of the goodness of their heart. We have people’s who’s whole job is to “sELL hOuSES” and profit from it
Nah it’s more like the reality outside america where people outside of affluent class own multiple properties too, and corporate isn’t involved in property renting scene. So our rents are lower per square feet for same property, than in the west.
How’s there nothing wrong with paying rent? Why is someone else appropriating the fruits of MY labor just because they happen to be lucky enough to inherit a house?
sorry, what about your labor makes it more valuable than anyone else who also rents?
Nothing. Abolish all private rent and socialize it
Then the government will need to purchase the houses / apartments from the current owners so they still get a giant payday.
Then you’d still be paying rent, just to the government instead which will mostly go towards paying administrators that don’t care or do anything just like current landlords.
Unless you mean all social government owned housing should be free, and most private property should be government owned.
Expropriation can be carried out without purchase, and it has been done in several countries to the great benefit of the workers. No need to pay for the housing of the landlords, we can just take it at gunpoint.
Who says the housing has to be centrally administered? Housing could absolutely be organized by local collectives in charge of the maintenance of the buildings after its construction, likely in the form of democratically elected councils. As an example, most access to housing in the USSR was through the work’s union, not through the central government.
No, people should pay costs to maintain it. For example, rent in the USSR was about 3% of the monthly income. Seems much better than what I pay now!
The important part in this equation is that you can choose not to rent from them.
Yes, you can choose to die on the streets instead. What’s your point?
At the same time, if you choose to live in an economy where you don’t pay rent, you will barely find anyone outside your family willing to lend you a home.
And replying to your previous comment, idk about America, but in other parts of the world, people outside of affluent class have homes, and rent is close to or less than 4% of property value annually, not 6-8% Americans are used to. That’s likely because corporates don’t buy property here at scale they do in America.
Yes, that’s why housing ownership should primarily be socialized, and access to affordable rent should be a right guaranteed by the public administration as much as healthcare and education.
That’s still a worthless metric, though, rent should be proportional to construction costs + maintenance, not subjected to markets.
You’re fundamentally asking for a different society. To be very honest, the Idea is great, I just don’t see how it’s gonna be implemented. Also you gotta be happy with pretty minimal houses, but I guess people in twenties who are just starting with life, this could be all they need.
Yeah Ik this is core communist ideology, I don’t have anything against communism. I just am saying what you are asking is very different from what society is today.
Well, yes, I’m a communist, but seeing the housing in literally every western capitalist country suffering from the same issues, I have 0% of hope that the issue of housing will be solved within capitalism. Capitalists are in power and they’re the ones owning the housing, so they simply will prevent legislation from passing unless forced by worker organizing.
I don’t see why communism is equated with minimal houses though, housing size is more or less proportional to the wealth of the country and less so to ideological stuff. The USSR is famous for small socialist flats because most were built during industrialization in a post-war condition. East-Germany flats from the 1980s, for example, are much larger.
Sorry I didn’t read the second paragraph, my bad. I see, but then if you’re richer, maybe you want more choices🤷. That’s why, like giving richer People some place to spend, a mix of capitalism for richer countries.
I mean, I know communism want’s everyone’s income equal, but then idk if such a thing could be achieved irl
In all honesty neither capitalism nor communism solves all problems. Problems arise because systems get too rigid, and it can happen with either. Today’s capitalist problems are arising because America got too stubborn about capitalism, but at the same time, a purely communist state will undermine a lot of desires of common man.
The best solution is always in between the two, and is very context dependent. Like a lot of poorer countries benefit from socialist ideologies, and when people have enough purchasing power, certain parts of economy can be run by capitalists. The world right now is in chaos because too much of economy is handed to the capitalists.
most americans want to be rich and are jealous as hell they aren’t the rich, and if they got rich, they would be just as greedy and self-interested as they rich they claim to hate so much are.
I’ve seen pretty much all my 20s anarchist/communist friends become landlords who now argue that taxes and tenants are evil. they felt exploited and now they feel free to exploit… it’s almost as if it isn’t about fairness and more about bitterness and power.
people tend to become the things they hate.