• Victor@lemmy.world
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    18 days ago

    If I forgot that every person makes this mistake for the first time, I’d also think like you. But your way of thinking assumes that every person who makes this mistake somehow should have magically learned from the previous tourist’s mistake.

    It’s a very stupid mistake, don’t get me wrong. But it doesn’t make it less tragic IMO.

    It’s like mocking a child for not knowing calculus when all their older siblings know it. “You didn’t learn it yet?! Bahaha.” 😒

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      18 days ago

      It’s like mocking a child for not knowing calculus when all their older siblings know it. “You didn’t learn it yet?! Bahaha.”

      Are we comparing a child not knowing calculus with drunk tourists that, after more than 300 accidents, keep jumping off a bloody balcony several (sometimes tens of) meters high to try to land inside a pool while endangering every other guest that’s in the pool? The first one was a tragic mistake. Several years and several hundreds “mistakes” later, I’d say they don’t give a damn about what happens to the other people in the hotel so of course they deserve to be mocked. The first one getting injured or killed was a tragedy, the 400th one is a selfish asshole that endangered innocent people and got what they asked for. Play stupid games, and all.

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        18 days ago

        drunk tourists that, after more than 300 accidents

        You are still doing the same thing. It’s like you’re saying the same tourist has been jumping to his death 300–400 times without learning his lesson. That’s not the reality.

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          18 days ago

          Do you need to jump from a 3rd floor to the ground to understand that it’s a dangerous reckless thing that can kill you or other guests?

          These accidents are so common that there is a webpage counting them every year. And there are news about them every time it happens. You don’t need to experience this 400 times to understand that it’s dangerous, but if you read every year news about it and about how there are hundreds of accidents like these, you probably connect the dots and think “maybe jumping from a balcony several floors high to the swimming pool is a stupid idea”.

          And yes, they will be mocked. Because the outcome (them dead or injured) is certainly better than the worst case scenario: them killing an innocent bystander that was simply there without trying to jump from a 3rd floor to land inside a swimming pool.

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            18 days ago

            Do you need to jump from a 3rd floor to the ground to understand that it’s a dangerous reckless thing that can kill you or other guests?

            I don’t know why they don’t understand it in the moment, but it’s clear that with hundreds of cases, this is something that can happen with alcohol. It’s statistically significant that a certain percentage of visitors will kill themselves due to alcohol or drug consumption. Nobody will do this uninebriated, I can’t imagine it.

            So, treat each case with respect, is all I’m saying. That’s what I would do. It’s tragic. Just like a doctor or surgeon will face stupidity their whole career, and face death by stupidity all the time, they probably won’t go around creating games and mocking their patients. Seems like a low IQ thing to do. A lack of respect. Shit happens. Be nice. 🤷‍♂️

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              18 days ago

              These people come to Spain with the sole objective of getting drunk every day for very cheap. And then they get themselves killed. No, I don’t have respect for an asshole that comes to my house to trash it, drink everything on sight, cause a fuckton of problems to everyone trying to live there and then jump off a balcony to get themselves killed. This shit doesn’t happens, this shit is has a certain cause.

              Also, blaming it on alcohol is even worse. You don’t get a pass because you were too drunk, you are responsible of yourself, if you drink too much and do something stupid, it’s on you, it’s not “an accident” it’s something you did to yourself and I don’t feel pity for you because you could have killed someone else with your stupid games.

              My house is not your bloody playground.

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                18 days ago

                I’m not saying they don’t cause problems. I’m not saying that they get “a pass”, whatever that means. I’m not saying they are not to blame. And I’m not blaming alcohol. You’re misinterpreting these things.

                I’m saying their stupidity in combination with their consumption of substance has caused them to die. And it’s disrespectful to ridicule someone who has died.

                I don’t respect what they are doing to your homes (?) or your city, but if someone dies, I don’t ridicule. You’d have to be some special kind of asshole for me to do that. E.g. Netanyahu, Trump, Putin, etc.

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                  And it’s disrespectful to ridicule someone who has died.

                  No, it’s not. Respect is earned, not ought. These people are not respecting the place they are coming to and they are killing themselves by doing something that is not allowed (for an obvious reason) while getting drunk, I don’t see why I ought them any form of respect when they are doing this.

                  People come to our cities thinking it’s their playground so they can do whatever they want and then get themselves killed without anyone to blame but themselves, there is nothing worthy of respect in that.

                  Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. And they are playing stupid games. They go to those cities with the specific purpose of getting drunk. They know what they are coming to do. They don’t just get drunk “accidentally”. They come here knowing they are going to drink everything and then some. And then they do something stupid and die. What’s there to respect? Should we mourn the poor drunkards because they only wanted to have fun while endangering others? Because they didn’t know what they were doing?

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                    18 days ago

                    I’m not asking you to mourn, I’m not asking you to do anything, like I said way in the beginning. All you have to do is not make their death a fucking game lol. It’s very simple.

                    But like I also said, you do what you do, I’m not here to change you. I’m just expressing what is my opinion. And you don’t agree with having respect for someone’s accidental death, even if it’s reckless. And that’s fine. We don’t know each other so I don’t need you to follow my advice.

                    Have a nice rest of your day 🫶

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      14 days ago

      It’s like mocking a child for not knowing calculus when all their older siblings know it.

      No, it’s like mocking an adult for not knowing that plummeting three stories into concrete might be dangerous, when plenty of people have already died from it and it’s very well known.

      By the time you’re old enough to do alcotourism, at least a few people should have mentioned to you that gravity can hurt. Hell, perhaps you’ve even fallen once or twice yourself

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        14 days ago

        I’m not saying it isn’t stupid, I’m just saying it’s still tragic. Two things can be true at once.