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    2 months ago

    Man you have to use Gas-fired power plant for the time being for the quiet winter nights, which is not a long time. Later you switch them to hydrogen. Problem is already solved. It’s still cheaper than nuclear plants.

    In germany alone they recently discovered 43 millions tons of lithium. It’s not really a “rare” resource.

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/43-million-tons-of-lithium-discovered-in-germany-could-transform-european-ev-battery-supply-chain/articleshow/124208076.cms

    Even Texas understands that renewables + battery storage is the way to go. Besides Trump being president

    https://www.cleanview.co/power-projects/planned/battery-storage-projects/texas

    Renwables are scalable, if you need more energy you just quickly build more. Can’t say that about nuclear plants. Building renewables is so much faster than Nuclear Plants and cheaper.

    Battery prices get cheaper and cheaper every year.

    https://about.bnef.com/insights/clean-transport/lithium-ion-battery-pack-prices-fall-to-108-per-kilowatt-hour-despite-rising-metal-prices-bloombergnef/

    Solar Panels get cheaper and more efficient every year.

    If you invest now into a nuclear plant and it takes 10+ years to build. In that time renewables have evolved much more. If the Nuclear Plant is ready to produce energy, there will be already way more efficient renewable options. But you can’t just replace your nuclear plant now.

    Ya’ll can be fanboying/girling to Nuclear Waterboiler Plants all you want. But it’s very clear where the future is heading.

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        2 months ago

        Nobody talked about blue hydrogen. I said to later switch to Green Hydrogen when it’s possible. These Gas powered plants will run only couple of days, and with more batteries the less gas plants will be needed.

        You make random wild assumptions about Battery prices going up again and that Photovoltaic will be reaching soon peak efficiency. You have no base for these assumptions. Batteries get better and cheaper every year. There will be more manufactures, so more competition.

        This is from last year:

        https://www.heise.de/en/news/Milestone-in-Muenster-First-European-battery-cell-from-research-factory-11115809.html

        It would be really stupid to invest all that money into a nuclear plant, which will take 10+ years to build, just to produce expensive electricity.

        That money should be invested into renewables + battery, for cheaper and more efficient electricity.

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            I’m talking about the future. So why are w talking about how much green hydrogen is produced today. We are talking about 50+ years in the future. The infrastrucuture is being build today.

            Do you think there is no wind during winter?

            You can check here how much renewables we (germany) currently make during winter and this is without having build batterie storage.

            https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy_pie/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&week=01

            Yes in germany there are battery research factorys being build, which is important if you wanna produce them yourself? There also factorys to build batteries.

            I feel like you don’t understand that nuclear plants make finacially zero sense. It is very stupid to invest into nuclear plants. It’s a waste of money and a waste of time.

            I feel like I’m talking to a brick because you don’t understand that part.

            Renewables and batteries are a growing market and we should invest there.

            You do some random math materials, show me some research that says we can’t build enough batteries for the energy transition. I don’t need some AI math.

            I think we will not agree to each other.

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                Yes because NPP take too long to build, what do you don’t understand about that? How many nuclear reactors can we build now and will be finished fully in 50 years? How much will it cost? How expensive will be the electricity?

                Yes there will be a few weeks/days during winter which will need gas plants. Do you understand that this is not anlong time during the year? Maybe 2 weeks in a year? Maybe 4 weeks? And it will be need less and less. This is really frustrating because you think we would need to fire gas 6 Months long.

                NPP also don’t appear out of thin air. At least PV and batterys are build very fast.

                Just tell me where you read that we will have problems with lithium cobalt and all the stuff. Please. Nobody is worrying about it as much as you do.

                Yes germany. Yes it would have been better to keep the old NPP running longer until we are done with coal.

                BUT starting to build NOW some reactors would be the most dumbest thing we could do. It would be such a waste of money. Better to invest the money into renewable tech.

                If you have some NPP running, keep them. But don’t build new ones.