Orban lost because everyone went out and voted for the other party. If you watch interviews of voters, a lot of them said they don’t agree on everything with who they are voting for, but it must be done to progress away from the Orban era.
Democracy is a slow process, and sometimes, voting for the lesser of two evils is the only choice you have. It opens the door for better candidates in the next elections to come.
Or, you know… you can do an armed revolution. But lately, they don’t bring the change everyone hopes for.
Trump lost in 2020 because everyone came out and voted against him.
And then Biden sat on his hands, let trump rebuild and the Dems lost in 2024.
The Republican Party is actively dismantling democracy, but the Democratic Party isn’t defending it. And then voters who expected something would happen, people would be held accountable, things would get better, we wouldn’t have to live through more horrors, get discouraged.
And then memes come out and tell those discouraged people, “actually you know what, you’re a dumb baby.”
The Democratic Party needs to start delivering things. Actual, tangible things to their voters. Not a CHIPs act, that does some nebulous grab bag of subsidies to Intel, not an ACA that entrenches the power of the insurance companies we all hate. They need to actually make peoples lives better and not have it phase in over 20 years and be easily dismantled by the next Republican congress.
We get told again and again, change takes time. But then the republicans take power and change is instantaneous. New tax code written by and for the ultra wealthy, done. Concentration camps and hundreds of billions for ICE to become a gestapo, done. Worldwide tariffs, sure why not! A war in Iran, well if trump feels like it, all it takes is a tweet.
No sane person should ever vote for a Republican again, but if the Democratic Party would like to know why people don’t care about voting for them, it’s because they don’t deliver anything worth voting for. A decade after their biggest legislation this century, the Affordable Care Act, the average American is cheering for the assassination of a health insurance CEO because their industry is still so reviled. Which is the best indication that it did not fix the problem.
Things are better than they were 50 years ago for a lot of people nowadays. It’s hard to see that with all the evil this administration has done.
Deafeatism won’t help. Vote in primaries or start your own progressive party.
It’s easy to destroy, and hard to build. Also, the repubs have all three power structures right now, so of course it’s easier for them to get away with the murder they’ve been committing.
Not apologizing for the centrist bullshit the Democratic party has pulled, just adding additional perspective.
Yea I don’t mean to come across as defeatist, I still vote and vote for the less bad option which is the Dems.
I think the thing that I get frustrated by is when supporters of the Democratic Party complain about voters sitting out as if it’s just some unthinkable outcome.
The reality of America is that there’s a lot of low engagement and low information voters, this shouldn’t be some startling revelation to the Democratic Party leadership.
They continue to pursue a strategy of
Beg for money, use that money to beg for more money and run ads to try to influence low engagement and low information voters to vote for them
If they lose, blame turnout
if they win, well gee golly shucks, a lot of that money is step 1 came from wealthy groups that dont want us to deliver anything tangible. Maybe we can deliver on social issues the wealthy dont mind or highly technocratic bills that while mostly benefitting the wealthy technically do make some goods slightly cheaper so we can say we did something for them.
hmm voters aren’t excited, we need to do step 1 even harder now
And after 3 decades of this “third way” strategy we find ourselves with a party that can raise lots of money and lose lots of elections. One that even when they get the levers of powers looks at all the checks they got from the wealthiest to get there and decide that the poor and middle class will just have to keep suffering.
They look at someone like Mamdani in New York being wildly popular by promising and following through on tangible things for people and scoff and go “that could never work outside of New York”
I live in Ohio, I would like the government to solve problems that impact me. I would like my taxes ro translate into services and infrastructure I can enjoy. And I think if the democrats made that a part of their strategy they wouldn’t have to go begging to the wealthiest amongst us for money to run ads to try to turn out the votes. The voters would show up because of the tangible improvements they made.
Orban lost because everyone went out and voted for the other party. If you watch interviews of voters, a lot of them said they don’t agree on everything with who they are voting for, but it must be done to progress away from the Orban era.
Democracy is a slow process, and sometimes, voting for the lesser of two evils is the only choice you have. It opens the door for better candidates in the next elections to come.
Or, you know… you can do an armed revolution. But lately, they don’t bring the change everyone hopes for.
Trump lost in 2020 because everyone came out and voted against him.
And then Biden sat on his hands, let trump rebuild and the Dems lost in 2024.
The Republican Party is actively dismantling democracy, but the Democratic Party isn’t defending it. And then voters who expected something would happen, people would be held accountable, things would get better, we wouldn’t have to live through more horrors, get discouraged.
And then memes come out and tell those discouraged people, “actually you know what, you’re a dumb baby.”
The Democratic Party needs to start delivering things. Actual, tangible things to their voters. Not a CHIPs act, that does some nebulous grab bag of subsidies to Intel, not an ACA that entrenches the power of the insurance companies we all hate. They need to actually make peoples lives better and not have it phase in over 20 years and be easily dismantled by the next Republican congress.
We get told again and again, change takes time. But then the republicans take power and change is instantaneous. New tax code written by and for the ultra wealthy, done. Concentration camps and hundreds of billions for ICE to become a gestapo, done. Worldwide tariffs, sure why not! A war in Iran, well if trump feels like it, all it takes is a tweet.
No sane person should ever vote for a Republican again, but if the Democratic Party would like to know why people don’t care about voting for them, it’s because they don’t deliver anything worth voting for. A decade after their biggest legislation this century, the Affordable Care Act, the average American is cheering for the assassination of a health insurance CEO because their industry is still so reviled. Which is the best indication that it did not fix the problem.
Things are better than they were 50 years ago for a lot of people nowadays. It’s hard to see that with all the evil this administration has done.
Deafeatism won’t help. Vote in primaries or start your own progressive party.
It’s easy to destroy, and hard to build. Also, the repubs have all three power structures right now, so of course it’s easier for them to get away with the murder they’ve been committing.
Not apologizing for the centrist bullshit the Democratic party has pulled, just adding additional perspective.
Yea I don’t mean to come across as defeatist, I still vote and vote for the less bad option which is the Dems.
I think the thing that I get frustrated by is when supporters of the Democratic Party complain about voters sitting out as if it’s just some unthinkable outcome.
The reality of America is that there’s a lot of low engagement and low information voters, this shouldn’t be some startling revelation to the Democratic Party leadership.
They continue to pursue a strategy of
And after 3 decades of this “third way” strategy we find ourselves with a party that can raise lots of money and lose lots of elections. One that even when they get the levers of powers looks at all the checks they got from the wealthiest to get there and decide that the poor and middle class will just have to keep suffering.
They look at someone like Mamdani in New York being wildly popular by promising and following through on tangible things for people and scoff and go “that could never work outside of New York”
I live in Ohio, I would like the government to solve problems that impact me. I would like my taxes ro translate into services and infrastructure I can enjoy. And I think if the democrats made that a part of their strategy they wouldn’t have to go begging to the wealthiest amongst us for money to run ads to try to turn out the votes. The voters would show up because of the tangible improvements they made.
Totally understood. I live in Colorado, and it’s insane how different it feels living here than when I lived in Texas…
The Democratic party needs to change, and it’s people like Mamdani that seem to be genuinely interested in progress.
Sorry for the frustration.