• Folstar@lemmus.org
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    2 days ago

    You gotta fight from within. “I’ve voted Democrat and will continue to support the party, but [insert list of grievances]” plays a lot better than “I do not understand how US election work so I helped get Trump elected, now give me what I want”.

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      Have you actually tried to do that? Like seriously tried? It was nepo babies all the way down when I attempted to “fight from within”.

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        1 day ago

        It seems like the idea is gaining traction. Mamdani’s election is a watershed moment.

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      Centrists interpret all criticism as “I do not understand how US election work so I helped get Trump elected, now give me what I want” and have never given a shit about how anyone actually voted.

      Condescension will never be a substitute for policies people want, charismatic candidates, and a willingness to keep campaign promises. But since centrists don’t have any of those, they go with what they have.

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        1 day ago

        I hate to break it to you, but I’m left of Sanders. Understanding how our election system (poorly) functions is essential if we are ever going to fix it. Knowing is half the battle!

        We have an archaic election system, and until that changes (work to change it), that’s the best path forward.

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          20 hours ago

          I hate to break it to you, but I’m left of Sanders.

          I don’t buy it. You will interpret my lack of trust as a lack of understanding.

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      2 days ago

      Hey, I really don’t like how you’re murdering people, but I won’t stop shopping at your store. I’m going to change it from the inside

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        1 day ago

        “Hey I don’t like that guy raping babies and blowing up school girls, but I’ll just stand here and do nothing that could have stopped him, either”

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          What exactly did you do that could have stopped him?

          You realize Kamala said Iran was the biggest threat to America, supported the Israeli genocide of Gaza, and wanted a more lethal military?

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          20 hours ago

          Progressives told you that genocide support was a losing issue. You preferred losing to trump over telling netanyahu no.

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        1 day ago

        When has the USA ever not been murdering people? You think not voting against the guy who murders more people is sending a message? Now we’re into full on magic-based thinking.

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          20 hours ago

          When has the USA ever not been murdering people?

          When does it become wrong? Doing the only thing you like is no longer a winning position. Your electorate are better people than you’re trying to force them to be.

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          You ever think that deciding you can’t not murder people is part of the problem?

          Serious Good German energy here.

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            20 hours ago

            You ever think that deciding you can’t not murder people is part of the problem?

            Not once. Centrists consider dead Palestinians to be a solution, not a problem.