Its so strange for Europeans to read this because we don’t let Weapons randomly lay around armorized and our Walls are not that thin, that this can happen such as easy as with US paperwalls
There are plenty of bullshit dog mauls person stories here too
Last year one that stood out to me was an elderly couple in St. Louis near a park were sitting outside in their back yard and a pack of dogs escaped and attacked them. They mauled the woman to death in front of the husband while he was shooting them trying to defend her with a revolver
Welcome to America where no less than a 6’ spike topped fence and a high capacity .45 is enough to maybe prevent your loved ones from being brutal ended in front of you while you’re just out enjoying your back yard
I’ll link the story when I find it in my post history for anyone who wants to read it. It’s tragic how shitty our society is.
I don’t think those stories are any less common in Europe - selfish assholes with dangerous dogs they haven’t properly trained and don’t know how to control are everywhere as far as I can tell.
It’s selfish assholes with dangerous weapons that they aren’t properly trained to handle that aren’t common around here, even in countries with very liberal gun legislation like Switzerland.
The real irony is the guy couldn’t get those dogs away from them even with a gun
The article says police dispersed them with pepper spray, so a chemical deterrent may have saved his wife’s life there if he had it over or as well as the revolver
I guarantee that whatever gun did this could probably go through most internal building walls in European homes too. It’s a gun, not a nerf dart.
Of course, unless it came in from outside the building. In which case, brick would probably stop it, yeah. I’d probably know if I read the article, but, ya know how it goes.
But yes on that first part.
*Guys, I get it. I appreciate you all measuring your walls for me, but I get it. We can stop now.
My internal walls are made of thick reinforced concrete, same as the other person who replied to you. I highly doubt a bullet would be able to penetrate them. I’d assume a brick wall would be weaker than my internal walls. People also don’t have guns lying around at home, usually. But even if that were the case, it is absolutely outlandish to assume somebody could shoot through into my apartment with their handgun.
Do you have air conditioning? I’m starting to wonder if that’s related to insulation. Or maybe it’s just older. Then again, 120 year old American houses have plaster walls which will also not stop a bullet. Buuuuut European buildings are much older. Or, can be. Probably just built better too.
A fair number of internal walls are also thick brick or concrete. In warmer climates it helps keep the building cool from thermal mass, it’s also sturdier for places prone to hurricanes.
Bro, unless its a .22 LR, pretty much every caliber is going to go through most building materials no matter where you live. You don’t have magic bulletbroof walls where you live. 😂
Where do you live that 21cm reinforced massive concrete is the primary building material for residential buildings? That’s not common. Regardless, I said most materials. Not all.
Have you ever shot at brick or stone? Yeah, the right caliber will go right through, but it’s not flying through with near the same velocity as through drywall, paint, and dreams , the stuff my walls are made of right now.
I didn’t say different materials don’t do anything, but yeah, a lot of rifle calibers are going through brick. Especially hunting calibers, of which there are a LOT here.
I could imagine a higher caliber hunting round going through a brick wall when pointed at it, but it should be rare to have a high caliber rifle loaded with high caliber rounds off-safety and able to be misfired by a child/dog/freak accident.
And in the UK, that’s just pretty much too impossibly rare to be occurring. The likelihood is higher here, but god I wish it wasn’t
I saw that link too, but there’s plenty of footage online that demonstrate brick will not stop everything.
I don’t think a high caliber rifle is less likely to be negligently discharged than any other caliber. In the US a lot of people own hunting rifles. I don’t know the stats compared to other types of firearms, but I feel like that or a hunting shotgun would be the most pervasive, and thus statistically most likely to be used in an incident like this. That’s just an educated guess though, I may be off base on that one.
Its so strange for Europeans to read this because we don’t let Weapons randomly lay around armorized and our Walls are not that thin, that this can happen such as easy as with US paperwalls
Yeah, sure, you have that. But we have shitty healthcare and poor collective bargaining rights!
Wait…I lost where I was going with this, lol.
There are probably more “Man bites dog” stories in Europe than “Dog discharges gun” stories.
There are plenty of bullshit dog mauls person stories here too
Last year one that stood out to me was an elderly couple in St. Louis near a park were sitting outside in their back yard and a pack of dogs escaped and attacked them. They mauled the woman to death in front of the husband while he was shooting them trying to defend her with a revolver
Welcome to America where no less than a 6’ spike topped fence and a high capacity .45 is enough to maybe prevent your loved ones from being brutal ended in front of you while you’re just out enjoying your back yard
I’ll link the story when I find it in my post history for anyone who wants to read it. It’s tragic how shitty our society is.
I don’t think those stories are any less common in Europe - selfish assholes with dangerous dogs they haven’t properly trained and don’t know how to control are everywhere as far as I can tell.
It’s selfish assholes with dangerous weapons that they aren’t properly trained to handle that aren’t common around here, even in countries with very liberal gun legislation like Switzerland.
The real irony is the guy couldn’t get those dogs away from them even with a gun
The article says police dispersed them with pepper spray, so a chemical deterrent may have saved his wife’s life there if he had it over or as well as the revolver
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pit-bull-attack-st-louis-b2681796.html
Europeans? More like most of the world really…
I guarantee that whatever gun did this could probably go through most internal building walls in European homes too. It’s a gun, not a nerf dart.
Of course, unless it came in from outside the building. In which case, brick would probably stop it, yeah. I’d probably know if I read the article, but, ya know how it goes.
But yes on that first part.
*Guys, I get it. I appreciate you all measuring your walls for me, but I get it. We can stop now.
My internal walls are made of thick reinforced concrete, same as the other person who replied to you. I highly doubt a bullet would be able to penetrate them. I’d assume a brick wall would be weaker than my internal walls. People also don’t have guns lying around at home, usually. But even if that were the case, it is absolutely outlandish to assume somebody could shoot through into my apartment with their handgun.
The interior walls in my European apartment are made of a thick layer of reinforced concrete I find it quite unlikely any bullets will go through…
Do you have air conditioning? I’m starting to wonder if that’s related to insulation. Or maybe it’s just older. Then again, 120 year old American houses have plaster walls which will also not stop a bullet. Buuuuut European buildings are much older. Or, can be. Probably just built better too.
A fair number of internal walls are also thick brick or concrete. In warmer climates it helps keep the building cool from thermal mass, it’s also sturdier for places prone to hurricanes.
Small firearms go through ~10cm thick bricks but not through a computer?
Depends on the material composition and number of other objects it went through on the way to the computer.
Bro, unless its a .22 LR, pretty much every caliber is going to go through most building materials no matter where you live. You don’t have magic bulletbroof walls where you live. 😂
What caliber can go through 21cm reinforced massive concrete?
Where do you live that 21cm reinforced massive concrete is the primary building material for residential buildings? That’s not common. Regardless, I said most materials. Not all.
Germany. Other materials are also used but the thickness is commonplace.
If any caliber would be capable of going through that, it would be .50 BMG, but you may have found the exception to the rule.
.30-06 for sure. Maybe .223.
I dare you to try and shoot through my german 22cm brick wall.
Rifle calibers can go through brick.
Have you ever shot at brick or stone? Yeah, the right caliber will go right through, but it’s not flying through with near the same velocity as through drywall, paint, and dreams , the stuff my walls are made of right now.
I didn’t say different materials don’t do anything, but yeah, a lot of rifle calibers are going through brick. Especially hunting calibers, of which there are a LOT here.
I can’t say for sure, I only shoot skeet and wood targets on dirt/ground-backed hills.
But https://www.atomicdefense.com/blogs/news/can-bullets-go-through-brick seems to say: “Heavier rounds such as a 7.62x39mm or .308 rifle may penetrate the walls of a brick-veneered house, but it is not likely”
I could imagine a higher caliber hunting round going through a brick wall when pointed at it, but it should be rare to have a high caliber rifle loaded with high caliber rounds off-safety and able to be misfired by a child/dog/freak accident.
And in the UK, that’s just pretty much too impossibly rare to be occurring. The likelihood is higher here, but god I wish it wasn’t
I saw that link too, but there’s plenty of footage online that demonstrate brick will not stop everything.
I don’t think a high caliber rifle is less likely to be negligently discharged than any other caliber. In the US a lot of people own hunting rifles. I don’t know the stats compared to other types of firearms, but I feel like that or a hunting shotgun would be the most pervasive, and thus statistically most likely to be used in an incident like this. That’s just an educated guess though, I may be off base on that one.