Most noteworthy for me is the fact that more Americans think that porn (52%) and homosexuality (39%) are wrong than spanking children (23%) and being ultra wealthy (18%).
🤡 country
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2026/03/19/what-do-americans-consider-immoral/
How is eating meat not morally wrong? Or not a moral issue?
Like genuinely does anyone understand how someone could think that?
It’s about the scope of the question.
Eating meat has been natural to humans and their ancestors for about 3 million years. But we have never processed, presented and eaten meat in the way and on the scale that we are doing it today.
I have a milk cow and it dies of old age. Would it be morally wrong for me to eat it? Just throwing the meat away is morally right?
It’s not a question on how the animals are treated. It’s just the morality of eating meat.
Sure but 99.99% of store meat is not this. Its factory farmed animals stacked in pens living in their own piss and shit their entire lives just before they are slaughtered young
Yes, and we can argue all day long about the morality of that specific way of raising animals for meat, but that doesn’t touch the question of whether or not it’s moral to eat meat in general.
Okay? So could you explain it to me then?
They just did.
Eating meat = a neutral action that has no moral dilemma.
How we produce meat products = a large and complex question that does pose an ethical/moral dilemma centered around methods of production.
How is that so hard to understand?
Because something is ‘natural’ does not mean that its moral.
Never said it was moral. I said it was specifically amoral, as in “has nothing to do with your arbitrary sense of morality”. Try reading again.
I have trouble understanding how it could be amoral. Every time you eat meat you are making the choice to contribute to crimes than the holocaust? Who, without your contribution, would have a reduced capacity to commit suffering.
From a vegan perspective its about harm, so honestly I think you’re pretty justified in saying eating carrion is moral.
The downvotes on this are both funny and telling. I like it so its good. Asking if its bad is bad.
I’m actually starting to see the point in a weird way. If they think about as critically as a dog or a cat maybe it doesn’t make sense to hold their decisions to a higher moral standard. We don’t call it immoral when non-human animals rape other non-human animals because they aren’t capable of the level of thought required to conceptualize moral decisions. But, uh, neither are significant amounts of humans apparently.
Do you think cats are immoral? They will most certainly suffer if not die if fed a vegetarian diet.
It’s not a stretch for someone to think animals eating animals is not a moral issue and it’s not a moral issue for humans, another animal, to do the same.
If you hold humas to a higher standard then I applaud you for your conviction but I think this survey shows we aren’t really above animals
I’m not entirely sure, but I have heard the argument that we kill everything we eat to live.
I’ve had someone try to tell me that plants feel pain and scream when they die.
Okay dawg, but I know I’d rather mow my lawn than mow over a field of pigs.
Out of sight out of mind.
thats why they are hidden in farms, or areas which are controleld by republicans who made laws against filiming thier animal cullings/killings.
I’m not entirely dismissive of the argument. I do think it has a point. Why do pigs get to live? Because they look vaguely like us? Fuck you wheat! You eyeless, legless monstrosity! I don’t care how much you enjoy swaying in the wind and basking in the sun. You’re literally toast!
Everything wants to live and is afraid to die. But I do agree dying screaming pigs is much more unsettling than millions of wheat stalks getting slaughtered by a combine.
The logical next question becomes: why do you get to live? Everything wants to live and is afraid to die. You aren’t special.
This line of argumentation leads to nihilism at its conclusion: nothing matters, everything is permitted, kill whatever you want.
That’s a simple minded misunderstanding of nihilism. It is not a license to just do whatever with no consequences or consideration.
Nothing matters, because there is no such thing as divine law or morality, so it doesn’t matter what you choose to matter to you. That’s entirely your opinion to have and dictate your life around. We are free to shape our own reality and morals.
You’re right. We aren’t special in the grand scheme. Humans are just another animal in the ecosystem. But I am me and I choose to care about myself, so I choose to care about whether I live or die.
You’ve stopped short of engaging with the actual problem: why should I choose to care about whether you live or die?
No, I fully engaged with it. You just don’t have the logical ability to figure that out so let me explain it simply for you…
That’s entirely up to you to decide. No one can make that decision for you. If you’re that shitty of a person then that’s for you to choose to be.
Maybe it’s different for you, but people don’t always choose to care about things. Rather, it is something that happens to us, so I don’t choose to care about the screaming and bleeding of pigs as I run them over with a lawnmower. It’s forced on me by my empathy, it was never a choice. I suppose I could choose to care about the grass, but it doesn’t happen on its own.
That’s why slaughterhouse work is associated with higher rates of self harm, violence, addiction, alcoholism, overdose, abuse, depression, and suicide. Slaughterers don’t choose to care about the animals they kill, it just happens to them. Sometimes they become so psychically wounded that they stop caring, but after that they lose the ability to care about anyone else either.
Neither do I choose to care if you live or die. It just happens. Unfortunately.
I do choose to block you, though, because you’re going to hurt me again if I don’t. I wonder why you chose to hurt me?
You also save plants by eating plants directly instead of indirectly via animals
It’s food. We have to eat to live.
Plenty of people don’t eat any meat and live just fine?
And why does it matter if a person does? Food availability and nutrition has so many variables. Including financial capabilities.
It matters if you consider the suffering of non-human animals important.
You still need to eat. Plants have feelings too. At this point it’s being trotted out as elite shaming rather than logic.
I don’t shame people for doing their own thing. But morality here is subjective.
How do you feel about people who knowingly, willfully participated in facilitated the holocaust?
Straw man.
Why? I think factory farming is far worse than the holocaust.
I can eat you therefore kiling and eating you is not morally wrong or a moral issue.
Are you saying that a person is the same as food that is readily available? Not really smart are you?
Rare to see someone so incapable of critical thought lmao
My logic sounds absurd when you apply it to a different example? why would you use a different example, that makes it sound dumb
it’s fine to eat because it’s food and it’s food because it’s fine to eat. simple as
It is rare to see someone with such a lack of critical thought so very nice of you to parade yourself around for us all to laugh at.
Its funny because you dont realize its you. Youre all over this thread being insulting, but never truly thinking
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My wife, who is a vegetarian, doesn’t consider eating meat immoral. She thinks that it is a personal decision. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Could you explain why she thinks this way?
It’s partially because she doesn’t feel that she has the right to tell people how to live their lives. She’s a vegetarian mostly for environmental reasons, rather than for animal rights.
She’s also conflict averse, and the “individual choice” philosophy does tend to de-escalate conversations with meat eaters, who are often hostile to vegetarians.