Well, there’s still a huge difference between individual women deciding they want to play a cooking game (or even want to conform to a traditional role model) vs. a celebration on the day associated with the fight for women’s rights framing women in a setting where they traditionally did not have rights.
I mean, I do assume this isn’t the only game and it isn’t as bad as this singular social post looks, but they could’ve easily steered clear of that whole problem entirely by picking virtually any other video game.
If they are fighting for equality in pay and recognition of work? Sure.
Else they are bowing to patriarchy and peobably report to a male supervisor which gave his okay. Or hell, even a woman with very conservatice world view.
I do not think, it makes a difference who made the decision. PR is about how it looks to the outside.
If you wanted to play it anyways, then your messaging should include something which can be as simple as:
We gave women a choice and they want to play Overcooked, so that’s what we’re doing.
The thing is, anything you play on that occasion is going to be political, because they could be playing games for fun at any other point in time.
Perhaps taken to the extreme, I would argue that even if all living women came together and decided that it’s fun and they want to play Overcooked or similar, they would still want to be conscious of their messaging.
Partially, because non-women will be the recipient of that messaging. Partially, because women’s rights have a history that you want to commemorate on that day as well. Would the feminists of the past be happy with that choice, too? Would their sons and grandsons be, that are alive today?
But well, also just because it really isn’t hard to do better here. Especially when women were involved in that decision, they would more likely be aware of the struggle and able to steer clear of dumb messaging quite easily.
So, I understand why your morals are telling you this is wrong. I don’t necessarily disagree, either — just so we’re clear.
Would the feminists of the past be happy with that choice, too?
Yes, I think they would. I think that women being allowed to play video games about being a manic chef team would be infinitely better than the conditions past feminists/ women faced. I think that some of them might recognize the irony of it, however it’s an irony that could only exist because women have rights in current year.
Seriously, 75-100 years ago women would never have been allowed to play video games (assuming they actually existed, which they did not). They would have been relegated to a boys activity and the status quo would continue as usual for girls.
So when are women allowed back in the kitchen? Is there a point where you dont get a raised eyebrow because of stodgy outdated stereotypes? Is there a point where women can be in the kitchen without it being framed as “bad optics”? How about Black people eating watermelon and fried chicken? Or east Asians who are good at math and science? Indians in medicine and IT? The British and cultural appropriation?
Seeing everything through the eyes of stereotypes only diminishes the world, even if youre ostensibly defending against it.
I don’t know why I should respond to that. You list a bunch of things I did not say and ignore that the main point of my comment was that there’s a difference between individuals and a celebration/commemoration. Feel free to disagree, but please don’t put words in my mouth to argue against.
You are the one making an issue out of it for an entire group of people because of your own perceived optics. You’re not even saying you’re offended. Just that there’s the possibility of causing offense.
Why does theoretical offense clearly not intended by the social media post matter? Why cant people just have fun? Why do you need to drag controversy into celebration?
There are places that refuse to let women go out in public and you’re whining that there’s the possibility that a Twitter post is going to set us back 70 years somehow.
It only matters to people who see controversy everywhere and refuse to enjoy themselves. Let me know when there’s an actual issue where people are actually affected by it, otherwise I will consider you to be little more than one of those people in the middle of times square with a cardboard sign screaming that the world is run by lizards and we should drill out our fillings to keep them from controlling us.
Well, there’s still a huge difference between individual women deciding they want to play a cooking game (or even want to conform to a traditional role model) vs. a celebration on the day associated with the fight for women’s rights framing women in a setting where they traditionally did not have rights.
I mean, I do assume this isn’t the only game and it isn’t as bad as this singular social post looks, but they could’ve easily steered clear of that whole problem entirely by picking virtually any other video game.
And if the decision was made entirely by women because they think the game is fun?
Sexism, clearly.
If they are fighting for equality in pay and recognition of work? Sure.
Else they are bowing to patriarchy and peobably report to a male supervisor which gave his okay. Or hell, even a woman with very conservatice world view.
I do not think, it makes a difference who made the decision. PR is about how it looks to the outside.
If you wanted to play it anyways, then your messaging should include something which can be as simple as:
The thing is, anything you play on that occasion is going to be political, because they could be playing games for fun at any other point in time.
Perhaps taken to the extreme, I would argue that even if all living women came together and decided that it’s fun and they want to play Overcooked or similar, they would still want to be conscious of their messaging.
Partially, because non-women will be the recipient of that messaging. Partially, because women’s rights have a history that you want to commemorate on that day as well. Would the feminists of the past be happy with that choice, too? Would their sons and grandsons be, that are alive today?
But well, also just because it really isn’t hard to do better here. Especially when women were involved in that decision, they would more likely be aware of the struggle and able to steer clear of dumb messaging quite easily.
So, I understand why your morals are telling you this is wrong. I don’t necessarily disagree, either — just so we’re clear.
Yes, I think they would. I think that women being allowed to play video games about being a manic chef team would be infinitely better than the conditions past feminists/ women faced. I think that some of them might recognize the irony of it, however it’s an irony that could only exist because women have rights in current year.
Seriously, 75-100 years ago women would never have been allowed to play video games (assuming they actually existed, which they did not). They would have been relegated to a boys activity and the status quo would continue as usual for girls.
So when are women allowed back in the kitchen? Is there a point where you dont get a raised eyebrow because of stodgy outdated stereotypes? Is there a point where women can be in the kitchen without it being framed as “bad optics”? How about Black people eating watermelon and fried chicken? Or east Asians who are good at math and science? Indians in medicine and IT? The British and cultural appropriation?
Seeing everything through the eyes of stereotypes only diminishes the world, even if youre ostensibly defending against it.
Don’t show it first.
Not that difficult.
I don’t know why I should respond to that. You list a bunch of things I did not say and ignore that the main point of my comment was that there’s a difference between individuals and a celebration/commemoration. Feel free to disagree, but please don’t put words in my mouth to argue against.
You are the one making an issue out of it for an entire group of people because of your own perceived optics. You’re not even saying you’re offended. Just that there’s the possibility of causing offense.
Why does theoretical offense clearly not intended by the social media post matter? Why cant people just have fun? Why do you need to drag controversy into celebration?
There are places that refuse to let women go out in public and you’re whining that there’s the possibility that a Twitter post is going to set us back 70 years somehow.
It only matters to people who see controversy everywhere and refuse to enjoy themselves. Let me know when there’s an actual issue where people are actually affected by it, otherwise I will consider you to be little more than one of those people in the middle of times square with a cardboard sign screaming that the world is run by lizards and we should drill out our fillings to keep them from controlling us.
Let people enjoy things.