• AmbitiousProcess (they/them)@piefed.social
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    15 days ago

    Cops side with ICE.

    Even if they didn’t, their authority doesn’t supersede federal authorities, which is why they currently don’t do shit to protect their own communities from ICE raids today even when they get calls or are in the area.

    I wish they would, but it sure doesn’t fucking seem like they give a shit.

    • Honse@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      14 days ago

      Local authorities absolutely have jurisdiction in their own states what. The feds can’t come in an illegally occupy whatever they want, like this is clearly stated in the constitution. You seem to be assuming that these politicians aren’t doing anything because the law bit that’s not true, it’s because they’re weak and don’t care to stick their necks out. It might be harder to find a group of cops willing to go with you in Texas specifically, but this is happening in places like Minnesota where they should absolutely at minimum be forcing this into the courts because we see the feds lose every single fucking time. This I’d apologia for weakness, and this is only gonna dig us deeper as we sit back and accept that doing nothing is ok and a doing literally anything more than complaining and gesturing is too much to ask. We need to demand action, we see the inaction in Minnesota and its not like that stops the feds from opening BS investigations and probes into political enemies, even when they’re fully complicit. Demand more, people, stop enabling this weakness to rot our country away.

      • AmbitiousProcess (they/them)@piefed.social
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        14 days ago

        Local authorities absolutely have jurisdiction in their own states what.

        They have jurisdiction, but not over everything. For example, a cop can’t just waltz into a military base, even if it’s within the area they’re allowed to police.

        The feds can’t come in an illegally occupy whatever they want, like this is clearly stated in the constitution.

        This facility is a private prison, legally owned by a private company, who built the facility specifically for ICE. Cops can’t enter your private property without permission or a warrant, whether you’re an individual or a massive for-profit prison company that fucks people over on purpose to make a quick buck.

        They also can’t arrest you without probable cause of a legal violation. Aside from them generally just siding with ICE in the first place, this is why they legally cannot (and never do) arrest ICE officers during their duties, because their actions are considered federal law enforcement actions, even if those actions are just legalized gang violence and kidnapping.

        but this is happening in places like Minnesota where they should absolutely at minimum be forcing this into the courts because we see the feds lose every single fucking time.

        Oh for sure, I do think they need to be at least trying to do as much as they can within the court system to make things harder for ICE and the administration in general, it’s just that again, there’s only so much they can do legally other than just… slow things down… because the court system is slow.

        This [is] apologia for weakness

        I’m not trying to justify their weakness, I’m simply explaining why they can’t and won’t be able to do anything you want them to do, at least not legally.

        If I had my way, we’d take send the national guard and all local police forces, and throw every single ICE agent in jail, and try them all in court for every possible charge imaginable, but that’s just not how the legal system works, so no elected official is going to try it, because:

        • The cops would just refuse (since they’re just wannabe ICE officers)
        • The jails wouldn’t take them (since they’d be afraid of retribution from the administration and often are the same companies operating ICE facilities)
        • The courts would let them off (since legally speaking, you can’t say “ICE kidnapped that person!” when ICE can just say “federal law says we’re allowed to kidnap that person”, and it does)

        It’s not the situation I think either of us want to be in, but it’s the situation we are in. As much as I wish more local politicians could magically, instantly decide to make federally allowed actions illegal when they harm people, they simply can’t.